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Post by hoover on Nov 25, 2008 16:19:58 GMT -5
Hi! I think it would be interesting to show our weapons we are working with. I will start with my MAS 36, built in 1945. I love that little piece, it is my new workhorse for the FICW-impression.
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Post by lt13demi on Nov 25, 2008 16:28:39 GMT -5
Many people bad-mouth the MAS 36. I suppose because it is not a very attractive rifle. But then again most of the modern "assault rifles", in my opinion are as ugly as sin!
I find it a very dependable and accurate bolt rifle! I would not be afraid to go to combat with such a rifle. My 36 is a very accurate rifle. It is dead on at 100 meters. I have even killed wild hogs (pigs) with it using full metal jacket ammo!
Currently my FICW reenacting rifle is my M-1 Carbine. Nice, light, FAST, and dependable!
Renault
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Post by hoover on Nov 25, 2008 17:07:42 GMT -5
Yes, I also have a M1A1 for my Para impression.
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Post by Legion Etrangere on Nov 25, 2008 22:07:44 GMT -5
I have to back up Renault's comments.
I just purchased my MAS36 and this weekend will run some live rounds through it this weekend.
Comments from CEFEO first-hand reports on the ruggedness, dependability and range of this weapon have been excellent.
/martini/
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Post by oggy on Nov 26, 2008 8:05:38 GMT -5
I think a lot of the bad mouthing actually comes from the fact that it doesn't have a Safety Catch per se.....
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Post by lt13demi on Nov 26, 2008 9:27:08 GMT -5
Yes, the're probably a lot of fact inthat statement Oggy!
I've seen contemporary pics of soldiers carrying their 36 with the bolt handle in the "up" position. Which is about the only way you can carry one in a "safe" mode. I've seen some 36's (as well as 86 Lebels) retro-fitted with a trigger block, lever safety. A lever that simply rotated behind the trigger preventing the trigger from being squeezed. I do not know if this alteration was a French military affaire, or something created by the American import industry.
A positive safety no doubt, but a bit more awkward than the bolt handle method.
Renault
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Post by cookie on Nov 26, 2008 11:28:02 GMT -5
My recently purchased MAS36 and LG48 rifles. They cost an arm and a leg but I think they are worth every penny I spent. Now all I need is a CR39... (and pigs might fly). Despite what people say about the MAS I actually like the look of the rifle. It has a unique appearance which I think other rifles lack.
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Post by lt13demi on Nov 26, 2008 11:39:05 GMT -5
We have one CR 39 in our unit!!!!!!
Renault
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Post by cookie on Nov 26, 2008 12:11:40 GMT -5
Yeah, rarer than rocking horse sh*t. I was thrying to get a MAT49 or a FM 24/29, but, like the CR39, they are also very hard to find and very very expensive.
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Post by hoover on Nov 26, 2008 12:38:52 GMT -5
I have just found a French vendor who offers MAT49 and FM24/29. And they are deactivated and legal here in Germany. But they are a little bit too expensive, 600 € for a mint MAT49 and 750 € for a minty Chat.
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Post by lt13demi on Nov 26, 2008 21:32:06 GMT -5
We have several dewat MAT 49's in the unit, and a 24/29 rigged for propane!!!! it sounds better than the normal propane gun!!!!
Renault
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Post by oggy on Nov 27, 2008 3:25:41 GMT -5
Yes, the're probably a lot of fact inthat statement Oggy! I've seen contemporary pics of soldiers carrying their 36 with the bolt handle in the "up" position. Which is about the only way you can carry one in a "safe" mode. I've seen some 36's (as well as 86 Lebels) retro-fitted with a trigger block, lever safety. A lever that simply rotated behind the trigger preventing the trigger from being squeezed. I do not know if this alteration was a French military affaire, or something created by the American import industry. A positive safety no doubt, but a bit more awkward than the bolt handle method. Renault True, but I have it on Authority (a friend) in the Local Police force that that particular weapon if found should not be handled at all!
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Post by oggy on Nov 27, 2008 3:27:54 GMT -5
I have just found a French vendor who offers MAT49 and FM24/29. And they are deactivated and legal here in Germany. But they are a little bit too expensive, 600 € for a mint MAT49 and 750 € for a minty Chat. A bit expensive, plus they are illegal here in UK......
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Post by oggy on Nov 27, 2008 3:29:59 GMT -5
A colleague of mine also has a live MAS 36, but it's been Bubba'd.........
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Post by hoover on Nov 27, 2008 11:27:01 GMT -5
oggy, a few years ago we looked very envious to our neighbours because the German law was very strictly. Now with our new laws we are one of the luckiest countries in Europe, we are allowed to own all forms of weapons if they are deacts. I hope the law won´t be changed again.
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Post by oggy on Nov 27, 2008 13:37:04 GMT -5
oggy, a few years ago we looked very envious to our neighbours because the German law was very strictly. Now with our new laws we are one of the luckiest countries in Europe, we are allowed to own all forms of weapons if they are deacts. I hope the law won´t be changed again. We too are allowed to own anything Deactivated, but it has to be deac'd to British standards and bear the Birmingham Proof House stamps. The really stupid thing is that the weapon could be deac'd to say Dutch standard (everything welded up solid), and it would still be classed as a Firearm, because of the lack of Proof Marks.......
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Post by hoover on Nov 27, 2008 14:09:06 GMT -5
In Germany we call it "Bürokratie"... ;D
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Post by oggy on Nov 27, 2008 16:16:26 GMT -5
LOL
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Post by Turner on Dec 2, 2008 9:02:59 GMT -5
"Bürokratie" makes it also that you can't use life firing weapons for reenactment. So I was forced to acquire two guns of a kind. A life firing and a deactivated or "Salut", which is the German version of "blankfiring". It uses a 8mm pistol blank that sounds like a bursting bicycle tire, at its best.
My collection consists of:
For shooting on the one hand and French reenactment on the other hand I got a life firing and a "Salut" MAS1936.
I'm still looking for a m1a1 folding stock for my life firing and "Salut" carbines. But I could also use Enfield No4MkI s (life f/deac), Garands (life f/deac), a deac Springfield 1903 or a life firing Eddystone P17 and an Enfield No1MkIII*.
For my Falklands impression I also got a nice deactivated Australian SLR.
Regards, Turner
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Post by niv on Dec 9, 2008 11:04:19 GMT -5
Standing Offer: Anyone proving inconclusively that the French actually used and carried Trench guns in Indochine (1945- 1954) – preferably the Winchester 1897 model – may have free use of M. Frappier in his capacity of “Love Slave” for the duration of one (1) weekend of your choice. Second place gets two (2) weekends.
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Post by lt13demi on Dec 9, 2008 11:58:44 GMT -5
Oh that's definitely worth a well earned smite for threatening us in such a manner!!!!!!!!!! Renault
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Post by niv on Dec 9, 2008 12:08:42 GMT -5
Smite away! My offer stands!
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Dans le théâtre de la guerre
"tireurs de pr?cision"
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Post by 6ebcp on Dec 9, 2008 12:37:46 GMT -5
My deactivated weapon collection so far: 1915 SMLE LSA Co Mk3 1917 SMLE LSA Co Mk3* 1941 No 4 Mk1 (ROF) 1944 No 4 Mk1* (Longbranch) 1944 No 4 Mk1* (Longbranch) (Yes I have two) 1941 K98k (Mauser Berlin) 1943 Bren Mk2 (Inglis) 1942 / 43 Sten Mk2 (With Silencer option) Sept 1944 M1A1 Carbine Webley Mk4 Revolver 1942 Enfield No2 Mk1** Revolver Smith & Wesson Model 10 Revolver 1942 Smith & Wesson Victory Revolver 1924 Colt 1911 (Transitional Model) 1938 Radom Vis 35 (Pre occupation type) 1965 SLR L1A1 1943 / 1944 Mk VII** 2 Inch Infantry Mortar Russian SKS Carbine Pistol Signal 1½ in No 4 Mk l* (Webley & Scott - Aircraft type) .22 LR BSA Rifle 1930 Enfield No2 Mk1 .38 (S/N 120) 1939 Enfield No2 Mk1 .38 (RAF Issue) 1944 No4 Mk1 (T) (Scope 1944, Rifle 1944 - M47C Shirley) Danny - On the look out for a MAS 36 and 1919A4
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Post by Legion Etrangere on Dec 9, 2008 12:55:08 GMT -5
LOL!
Court, that post was awesome!!! Laughed my a** off!!!!
/martini/
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Post by lt13demi on Dec 9, 2008 13:07:23 GMT -5
I'm telling ya!!!!!! It ain't gonna happen!!!!!!!
Renault
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Post by niv on Dec 9, 2008 14:11:26 GMT -5
And I smite you a second time. . .
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Post by sgtjeanvaljean on Dec 9, 2008 17:36:24 GMT -5
The MAS-36 has the best safety in the world. It fits very well between the ears of the troop carring it. As you guessed by now it is the brain with the words DO NOT POINT A WEAPON AT ANYTHING YOU DO NOT WANT DEAD burned into it by a good NCO.
Sgt. Jean Valjean
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Post by sgtjeanvaljean on Dec 9, 2008 17:48:37 GMT -5
If you had system "D" model 97 and you were a Cpl-Chef or above and the Ammo for it was laying around in almost any part of the world; what with 12 gage Winchester or Remington GSGI 250 to 500 rd cases falling off trucks from North Africa to Germany you can bet it went any where you did.
Sgt. Valjean
PS, you may keep Frap.
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Post by niv on Dec 9, 2008 19:06:24 GMT -5
Papa, Thank you for the information regarding the ‘97D Model Trench gun, as well as that of the availability of ammunition. Alas, I must hold true to my own sense of ethics, reenactment-wise (misguided though they may be), as well as the implied promise I made to Renault (the Bastid and hold out until I see some tangible evidence that the French actually had – and used - them in Indochine during the 1945-1954 era. Thank you Mon Père anyway. Niv
P.S.: Sure you don’t want to reconsider the Frap offer? Even second place?!?
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Post by lt13demi on Dec 9, 2008 19:54:45 GMT -5
System "D" or not! It still ain't gonna happen!!!!! Renault "Office of Trench gun eradication in Tonkin theatre of operations"
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