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Post by lt13demi on Dec 9, 2008 20:04:16 GMT -5
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Post by niv on Dec 9, 2008 20:19:18 GMT -5
"Renault
Office of Trench gun eradication in Tonkin theatre of operations"
the Bastid. . .
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Post by lt13demi on Dec 9, 2008 20:31:20 GMT -5
Some of the people on this board are going to start to think that we really don't like each other, or at the very least, we're a bunch of perverts......
So where is the dividing line between truth and fantasy! ;D
Honestly folks, unfortunately we know each other too well!!!!! Sometimes that's even a good thing! ;D
Renault
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Post by niv on Dec 9, 2008 20:44:00 GMT -5
Yeah! What he said (the Bastid. . .)! 
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Post by grog on Dec 9, 2008 21:36:06 GMT -5
BOB!!!!!! Make Court stop picking on me... does your unit need insignia? Too late. I already ordered it.
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Post by niv on Dec 9, 2008 21:37:56 GMT -5
Frap -
Never happen. . .
Although that does sound familiar!
Niv
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Post by Legion Etrangere on Dec 10, 2008 16:09:59 GMT -5
k, frap i got svenhunddred pairr of coleeneall strips ;badeges for you and the unityou canbuywhen u see me at da bttle next weekendd. i can order you annytheen you like, k?
i was a schniper in da armee.
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Post by niv on Dec 10, 2008 16:35:32 GMT -5
Now that was familiar; maybe a little too familiar. . .
Guys - we've been infiltrated!
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6ebcp
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Post by 6ebcp on Dec 13, 2008 3:36:35 GMT -5
Reference snipers, does anyone have any references to what telescoped weapons the French had access too? I've read about the use of the Infra Red M2 Carbines but what about standard infantry types?
Cheers
Danny
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Post by 6ebcp on Dec 13, 2008 7:32:08 GMT -5
Ah ha! After some digging I found the following article: "The Free French (1941-1943) used probably mostly British SMLE .303 n°3 MkI(T) and .303 n°4 MkI(T) rifles, at least for the French SAS and commando-marines who operated with the British forces. From 1943 on (French Army) the main sniper rifle became the Springfield 1903A4 (2.5x M73B scope). A few civilian Lyman Alaskan scopes should have been used and designated M73. Redfield delivered about 2000 mountings for them but Lyman never delivered the scopes. The common scope found on the Springfield 1903A4 is therefore the civilian Weaver 330C (marked '330C') but the majority of them had the military markings (M73B1). About 36,000 M73B1 scopes have been delivered.
Concerning the USMC, during WW1 the marines used the Springfield 1903A1 with 5x Lyman and Winchester A5 scopes. During WW2 and later they mostly used Springfield 1903A1 rifles with the 8x Unertl scope and Springfield 1903A4 with the same scopes than the US Army (M73B1).
During late WW2 and after WW2 the Springfield 1903A4 mounted also the scopes used on the Garand M1C and M1D rifles (M81, M82 and M84). Several Springfield 1903A4 were also equipped with a French scope designated M73B2 in the US army, it had the 'OPL France' markings (OPL = Optique de Précision de Levallois). This factory, created in 1923, produced later the APX L806-1 (Mle1953), L806-2 and L806-3 mounted on the MAS49, MAS49/56 and later FRF-1 and FRF-2 sniper rifles.
The Garand M1C/M1D sniper rifle (2.5x M81/M82 scopes, replaced in April 1945 by the M84) is really used only in 1945 and not on the European theater of operations. It is often equipped with a conical M2 flash hider available at the end of 1944 and replaced in January 1953 by the T37 flash hider.
At the beginning of the Indochina war, the French troops used various sniper rifles : Springfield 1903A4, M1D Garand, a few SMLE and it seems that a significant number of scoped Gewehr 43 were also used. The MAS49 with APX L806 (3.85x magnification) becomes the new sniper rifle in 1953.
In Algeria the MAS49 is still in use, followed by the MAS49/56 with the APX L806 Mle1953 scope. Several night scope (IR) were used on USM1/2 carbines and MAS49/56 rifles."So there is a possibility I could use my No4 Mk1 (T) then  Danny |
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Post by lt13demi on Dec 13, 2008 9:49:15 GMT -5
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6ebcp
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Post by 6ebcp on Dec 13, 2008 14:44:14 GMT -5
Interesting picture Renault as that is the APX L806 Modele 1953 telescope. Heres an example of a APX which has been issued with the later MAS 49/56, as you see the manual clearly states Modele 1953:  I'm unsure if there were any earlier models of the scope as haven't found any references so far. Cheers Danny |
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Post by lt13demi on Dec 13, 2008 18:52:32 GMT -5
Like I said "suppose" you have been taken in 1951,,,,,,  To me, the pic screams 1954 or possibly even later....... I know French weapons were still in service on both sides into the early 60's. Renault |
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Post by niv on Dec 14, 2008 17:13:30 GMT -5
Dammit Danny!
I said Winchester 1897 Model D Trench Guns, not sniper rifles!
Just for this you are moved immediately into second place!
You guys aren't even trying!
Niv
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Post by sgtjeanvaljean on Dec 15, 2008 13:24:18 GMT -5
The 8 mm KAR 98 was also used in indochine with 4 to 8 power Ajack. Smit-Bender and Kahles Scopes. Again a weapon system that was well tested and easy to obtain.
Sgt. Valjean
Yes young ones if you could get MP-40s, MG-34/42s to indochine you could get Mausers.
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Post by fmf on Dec 15, 2008 16:40:27 GMT -5
Mauser Orbendorf kept producing for the french after WW 2 , I have a P 38 made during that time , with Metal Grips , they also made the K98 with a modified stacking bar, I belive the code was SVW 45 and SVW 46
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Post by lt13demi on Dec 15, 2008 17:21:32 GMT -5
Oui! Very true!!!!! And Manurin was making PP's and P-38's as well! And how can you forget the MAS 45, bolt action 22 long rifle. Another Walther copy. And you know something Niv?  ? Still No '97 Winchester Trench Guns!!!! Amazing!!!!!!!! ;D Renault Office of Total Eradication of Trench Guns in the CEFEO |
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Post by niv on Dec 15, 2008 17:27:30 GMT -5
And I smite you a second time. . .
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Post by lt13demi on Dec 15, 2008 17:39:39 GMT -5
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Post by Turner on Dec 15, 2008 19:27:17 GMT -5
Mauser Orbendorf kept producing for the french after WW 2 , I have a P 38 made during that time , with Metal Grips , they also made the K98 with a modified stacking bar, I belive the code was SVW 45 and SVW 46 The specialty of some post war K98k for the French army was that the French obviously didn't like the German sling attachment with sling slung through the hole in the butt and its fixing with the frog on the lright side of the rifle. In addition to the hole they carved a groove into the left side of the butt near the butt plate and added a stock sling bar, like the ones used at MAS-rifles. Unfortunately most late K98k stocks are patched in that area, which makes them useless for wwII-collectors. My father had to search for a long time to find an at least half-decent 1945 stamped K98k without foreign marks on it and without patched French stocks. Regards, Turner |
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Post by fmf on Dec 15, 2008 21:46:56 GMT -5
The French Modified K98K is rare here , My friend had one a SVW 45 , I offerd to trade a mint all matching BYF 41 , to him but he refused , I wanted it to match My svw 45 P 38
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Post by oggy on Dec 16, 2008 3:02:24 GMT -5
No but it's a no3 SMLE with Grenade Launcher ....... |
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Post by oggy on Dec 16, 2008 3:09:44 GMT -5
Talking about the use of German kit Post WWII, the Panther served with French Armoured units (with the Main Gun soldiering on with the Isrealis in their M50 Shermans), The Storch (Criquet) and the FW190 bolstered the Air Force (Only for a short while with the FW190 tho - It was manufactured in French Factories during the War, and they were often nobbled by the workers!!!!! - this bit them in the Ass big time when their aircraft kept falling out of the sky)
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Post by lt13demi on Dec 16, 2008 11:24:34 GMT -5
And how can one forget those "Toucans" (JU-52's) dropping supplies and Paras all over Indochine in those early days!!!!!
Renault
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Post by cookie on Dec 16, 2008 16:18:04 GMT -5
 A nice quality picture of the entirely French MAS49 semi-automatic rifle being used in Tonkin (1953). I believe it is fitted with the APX L806 scope. Note also the mixture of French and American webbing and clothing. ( picture from ECPAD France) |
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Post by lt13demi on Dec 16, 2008 21:17:49 GMT -5
Awesome Pic, Cookie!!!!!! Is that a P37 strap on his shoulder ?
Renault
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Post by fmf on Dec 16, 2008 21:55:47 GMT -5
Great pic , I have been resisting the temptation to tap the Barrel of My Mas 49 for a Blank adapter , the pics make it hard not to
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Post by lt13demi on Dec 16, 2008 22:16:53 GMT -5
Go for it!!!!!! Now, if it were a MAS 44,,,,,,, the answer might be different! Renault |
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Post by cookie on Dec 17, 2008 6:41:02 GMT -5
As far as I can tell he is wearing French Mle 50 TAP equipment suspenders, a US M1910 waterbottle and cover, a French Mle 50 TAP pistol belt (or US) and a French Mle 50 TAP musette. The button on the side flap certainly suggests it. I have no idea on the provenance of the binocular case.
US 'Frogskin' camo jacket, probably of army pattern, British windproof 'sausage skin' trousers (from the unique 'crinkle' of the material), a Mle 1949 bush hat and unknown boots.
Its a nice looking gun, and features the same integral 48mm grenade launcher sight rail and range finder as the MAS36 LG48 rifle.
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Post by lt13demi on Dec 17, 2008 7:55:34 GMT -5
"As far as I can tell he is wearing French Mle 50 TAP equipment suspenders....."
Thanks Cookie!!!!! I can see that now! I didn't see the strap over his right shoulder, last night.
Still a very cool pic!!!!!
Renault
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? Still No '97 Winchester Trench Guns!!!! Amazing!!!!!!!! ;D
