Jacques
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May 23, 2021 2:42:51 GMT -5
Post by Jacques on May 23, 2021 2:42:51 GMT -5
Hello everyone! Do any of you know where i could purchase a replica mat49? It can be made of literally any material, i just need one for a display!
Merci!
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Post by lew on May 23, 2021 16:26:17 GMT -5
No idea, but I'd love to have one.
There was a guy on here a few years back selling movie prop guns, but I don't remember how that turned out. Other than that, I've seen nada.
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Jacques
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May 24, 2021 12:56:01 GMT -5
Post by Jacques on May 24, 2021 12:56:01 GMT -5
Yeah I saw the movie guys posts form a couple years back. The only "replica" that I have seen on the market as of right now is a guy in the UK making wooden replicas of the MAT49. I emailed him about the details and he said everything is made out of wood except for the wire stock. The mag well can also be folded up
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Jacques
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Jun 13, 2021 5:53:27 GMT -5
Post by Jacques on Jun 13, 2021 5:53:27 GMT -5
Hey again, Is it true that deactivated firearms from France cannot be shipped to the states?
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Jacques
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Dec 29, 2021 5:22:18 GMT -5
Post by Jacques on Dec 29, 2021 5:22:18 GMT -5
Hey again everyone! My quest to find some sort of MAT49 is still going! This might be a stupid question but I am going to France this summer to visit my grandfather! With all the laws there regarding deactivated firearms do you think it would be possible to purchase a deactivated mat49 and somehow bring it to the US legally? Cant wait for this trip because of some other things im looking to pick up as well as my grandfathers stories/photos from Algeria!
Merci le gars!
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Dec 29, 2021 8:57:19 GMT -5
Post by earlymb on Dec 29, 2021 8:57:19 GMT -5
I think you should check with US Customs if you are allowed to import firearms permanently deactivated according to the EU Regulation 2018/337-standard. If it is, ask for the procedure to follow and check any potential purchase if it fully complies with that Regulation (including all the paperwork) before buying it.
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Post by lew on Dec 29, 2021 10:14:16 GMT -5
M. Jcques,
Typically, importing a firearm is just a matter of jumping through the hoops, or, better yet, paying an importer to do it. However, our illustrious AFT/FAT agents have deemed that once a weapon is a machinegun, it will always be a machinegun. Unless the receiver is cut to their specs with a torch, it and the rest of the parts cannot be imported. Other parts should- SHOULD- be fine in checked luggage, but TSA makes their own rules.
If you wouldn't mind, please share your grandpa's stories. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would want to hear them.
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Post by rullow on Jan 3, 2022 8:40:07 GMT -5
very simple answer is - NO as was already mentionned - US doesnt recognize EU level of deactivation and only deactivation for the us market for anything that was a machine is - cut it into pieces.... (right now there are parts kits for thompsons, M2HB and .30cals coming to the US via RTI - the papers were granted by ATF only as a list of parts and specifically siting the level of deactivaation of specific parts - width of the cut and so on)
event within EU there is no common understanding and recognition of deactivation (it might eventually change with common EU law for deactivation) - so you can legally buy something in France, but the same thing becomes an illegal firearm in any neighbouring country....
I had once this discussion with MAS36 french deact - not recognized in CZ = basically illegal....
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Jan 5, 2022 8:51:49 GMT -5
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Post by earlymb on Jan 5, 2022 8:51:49 GMT -5
very simple answer is - NO as was already mentionned - US doesnt recognize EU level of deactivation and only deactivation for the us market for anything that was a machine is - cut it into pieces.... (right now there are parts kits for thompsons, M2HB and .30cals coming to the US via RTI - the papers were granted by ATF only as a list of parts and specifically siting the level of deactivaation of specific parts - width of the cut and so on) event within EU there is no common understanding and recognition of deactivation (it might eventually change with common EU law for deactivation) - so you can legally buy something in France, but the same thing becomes an illegal firearm in any neighbouring country.... I had once this discussion with MAS36 french deact - not recognized in CZ = basically illegal....
That is true for 'local' de-acts, from before the EU Regulation. Here, you are allowed to keep those if you have them but not to sell or gift them away in any form. Since they aren't registered anywhere this is a bit of a hollow requirement...
Guns deactivated under the EU Guideline Regulation are allowed in the whole EU, which was the point of a making EU rule in the first place. Of course, specs can change and the older EU spec deacts can be restricted. An EU Regulation, unlike a Guideline, has direct effect on a national level, whether the national government likes it or not. Here they certainly didn't...
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Post by rullow on Jan 6, 2022 4:04:07 GMT -5
very simple answer is - NO as was already mentionned - US doesnt recognize EU level of deactivation and only deactivation for the us market for anything that was a machine is - cut it into pieces.... (right now there are parts kits for thompsons, M2HB and .30cals coming to the US via RTI - the papers were granted by ATF only as a list of parts and specifically siting the level of deactivaation of specific parts - width of the cut and so on) event within EU there is no common understanding and recognition of deactivation (it might eventually change with common EU law for deactivation) - so you can legally buy something in France, but the same thing becomes an illegal firearm in any neighbouring country.... I had once this discussion with MAS36 french deact - not recognized in CZ = basically illegal....
That is true for 'local' de-acts, from before the EU Regulation. Here, you are allowed to keep those if you have them but not to sell or gift them away in any form. Since they aren't registered anywhere this is a bit of a hollow requirement...
Guns deactivated under the EU Guideline Regulation are allowed in the whole EU, which was the point of a making EU rule in the first place. Of course, specs can change and the older EU spec deacts can be restricted. An EU Regulation, unlike a Guideline, has direct effect on a national level, whether the national government likes it or not. Here they certainly didn't...
Well this is more a wish than a reality - in CZ there no recognition of foreign deacts yet..... neither the local way how to deactivate in accordance with EU law... so basically there are no deacts right now on the market... the older ones are legal to own - but not to sell - similar sitution as you described - and since there is no registry for those.... I only hope that the centralized recognition of Deacts will be a thing - since we could all of the sudden purchase the guns common in one country but rather scarce in another.... nowadays its a problem.... Also it might be much easier for the reenactors to visit the events in neighboring countries....
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Jan 7, 2022 11:30:34 GMT -5
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Post by earlymb on Jan 7, 2022 11:30:34 GMT -5
Well this is more a wish than a reality - in CZ there no recognition of foreign deacts yet.....
Yes there is, and it's called EU Regulation 2018/337! It doesn't matter if the Czech government recognizes them or not, guns deactivated according to this Regulation are allowed in the whole EU. The fact that some (most) national governments don't like this and try to stop it does not matter at all, since EU Regulations go above national law. The only thing is someone will probably have to take the government to court to force them to comply with it.
So, there IS a centralized recognition of Deacts. As long as it is according to the EU specs, you can buy a deact in Spain, or Greece, or Romania, or any EU country.
However, this Regulation also states that states must have their own proof house(s), and this is something most haven't and probably won't make work of anytime soon. This means that the proof houses that are there are over-worked, and EU Spec deacts can be hard to find and expensive, at least for some time to come.
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Post by can on Jan 8, 2022 6:06:30 GMT -5
Laws and regulations protecting people from nothing. Just seems a waste of time and effort.
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Jan 8, 2022 7:31:50 GMT -5
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Post by earlymb on Jan 8, 2022 7:31:50 GMT -5
In this (rare) case, this EU Regulation is actually a step forward for many collectors.
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