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Post by lew on Dec 20, 2020 14:31:44 GMT -5
I'm not an expert on that specific piece, but post a picture or two if you can.
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Post by Jacques on Dec 20, 2020 16:56:41 GMT -5
These are just some of the pics of the belt |
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Post by lew on Dec 21, 2020 10:15:38 GMT -5
Might very well be a replacement buckle set, but I'd use it.
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Post by craigtx on Dec 21, 2020 10:26:38 GMT -5
I agree with Steve. I'd use it, no problem. Originals are very few and far between.
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Post by Jacques on Dec 21, 2020 12:38:02 GMT -5
Thanks guys! I've been looking around on ebay.fr and found some tap 50 suspenders and I came across 2 types. I've seen reenactors use both types but am not sure if there is actually a correct one. The only main difference I've seen is the length adjustments, one looks more modern than the other. What do you guys think? Merci! Attachments:
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Post by lew on Dec 22, 2020 10:52:10 GMT -5
I'll have to consult the literature, but I'm somewhat sure that one is a Mle. 50 (I believe the bottom one.) and the other the 50/53. If you're going for early-'50's Indochina, then the Mle. 50 is the way to roll. If Dien Bien Phu or Algeria, either will work.
As for the belt, parts were replaced at the depot-level all the time, so I wouldn't sweat it.
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Post by Jacques on Dec 22, 2020 17:59:05 GMT -5
Thanks you guys for the really helpful info! the final question i believe i need to ask was how common were the m43 double buckle boots and would they be acceptable for 1953 6e BPC?
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Post by lew on Dec 23, 2020 10:30:28 GMT -5
They were the standard for 6e BPC.
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Post by Jacques on Jan 13, 2021 18:31:41 GMT -5
Hello! i just managed to get a TTA51 Canteen with the correct "lift the dot" fasteners, the only problem is that i believe it is missing the part where it hooks onto the webbing, it has two loops that look like they would go over the belt but as I looked a pictures there is a little metal thing which allows the canteen pouch to be hooked onto the webbing, mine looks like this right now, could you guys tell me if I am missing something? Attachments:
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Post by craigtx on Jan 13, 2021 21:16:41 GMT -5
Nope, not missing anything. The belt, theoretically, fits through the loops. As far as I know, they were not issued with the metal hooks. I've seen photos of putting the metal hook through the loops. That's my preferred method. you can get the hooks in many different places. I forget where I got mine.
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Post by rullow on Jan 21, 2021 10:11:20 GMT -5
Hello! i just managed to get a TTA51 Canteen with the correct "lift the dot" fasteners, the only problem is that i believe it is missing the part where it hooks onto the webbing, it has two loops that look like they would go over the belt but as I looked a pictures there is a little metal thing which allows the canteen pouch to be hooked onto the webbing, mine looks like this right now, could you guys tell me if I am missing something? the pouch is okay as it is.... problem with loops is that you can berely get the belt throught them - its a pain with TAP50 belt and almost impossible with TAP50/53...... the belt you presentes is "faked" easiest way to determine are the sliders - on the original they are semi circural shape - not flat however as they said - given the possibilities its OK (however in such case I d preffer 100% legit us M36 belt instead - for the money spent...) |
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Post by lew on Jan 21, 2021 14:16:35 GMT -5
Hello! i just managed to get a TTA51 Canteen with the correct "lift the dot" fasteners, the only problem is that i believe it is missing the part where it hooks onto the webbing, it has two loops that look like they would go over the belt but as I looked a pictures there is a little metal thing which allows the canteen pouch to be hooked onto the webbing, mine looks like this right now, could you guys tell me if I am missing something? the pouch is okay as it is.... problem with loops is that you can berely get the belt throught them - its a pain with TAP50 belt and almost impossible with TAP50/53...... the belt you presentes is "faked" easiest way to determine are the sliders - on the original they are semi circural shape - not flat however as they said - given the possibilities its OK (however in such case I d preffer 100% legit us M36 belt instead - for the money spent...) Always good to hear you chime in. I agree about the M36 belt. They're not terribly expensive. |
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Post by Kenneth on Jan 22, 2021 17:19:40 GMT -5
Weren't those canteen carriers or pouches used with the post-war leather accoutrements? A wire hanger would have been unnecessary and there should have been no problem sliding it onto the belt. Later pouches (post-Algeria, I assume) probably all have the wire hanger but still have a single wide loop on the back. They're the ones with snap fasteners instead of life-the-dot type. But the have two sets of snaps. Why is that? Were pre-war canteens/water bottles still in use for a long time?
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Post by lew on Jan 22, 2021 18:17:05 GMT -5
Weren't those canteen carriers or pouches used with the post-war leather accoutrements? A wire hanger would have been unnecessary and there should have been no problem sliding it onto the belt. Later pouches (post-Algeria, I assume) probably all have the wire hanger but still have a single wide loop on the back. They're the ones with snap fasteners instead of life-the-dot type. But the have two sets of snaps. Why is that? Were pre-war canteens/water bottles still in use for a long time? Correct. The Mle. 51 pouch is meant to be used with either the Mle. 45 leather belt or the Mle. 50 TAP canvas belt, hence the canvas belt loops. The first iteration of the Mle. 52 pouch features only an M1910 wire hanger, and there is a leather adapter for one to use that on the Mle. 45 belt. Later (1959+?) Mle. 52 pouches have belt loops in addition to the M1910 wire hanger. As for the two sets of snaps, the bottle fits differently with the canteen cup. Typically, only one cup was carried per soldier, but two pouches on the belt were fairly common, especially in Algerie. |
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Post by Jacques on Feb 7, 2021 14:01:52 GMT -5
Hey again! in regards to the British windproofs (peau de saucisson) Do you guys have any tips on adding a zipper to the smock either half or full zipper and possible adding a collar? How should I go about doing this? Any tips would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks!
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Post by Kenneth on Feb 7, 2021 17:00:57 GMT -5
Ideally, you need to find a Vietnamese tailor.
In British service, by the way, the camouflage windproof smocks or jackets, which came to be identified with the SAS, were also sometimes modified with a zip fastener, as were the early Denison smocks. In all my leafing through books and magazines, I have only seen one photo of a soldier or soldiers wearing the entire outfit (smock and pants). I think it was of the 22nd SAS preparing for a parachute jump. Heaven knows where I saw it.
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Post by craigtx on Feb 7, 2021 19:06:18 GMT -5
For my smock, I got a zipper from At the Front, and took it to an alteration place with the smock and had it installed. I decided to keep the hood on.
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Post by lew on Feb 8, 2021 10:50:42 GMT -5
Take it to a tailor.  Should be straightforward. If you need more fabric, the only source I know of is cannibalizing another garment. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable about this particular garment can chime in, but I'm only aware of zippered version with a full-zip, not any half or quarter zips. |
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Post by craigtx on Feb 10, 2021 9:23:53 GMT -5
I did mine full zip. And I agree, full zip is the only way I've seen the smock altered in extant photos.
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Post by Jacques on Feb 19, 2021 2:25:47 GMT -5
could any of you help with Pataugas? I've seen a lot of them floating around but I want to make sure I don't end up buying post Indochina ones. If any of you have any tips or things I should be looking out for when shopping for Pataugas, anything would be greatly appreciated!
Merci Beaucoup!
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Post by lew on Feb 19, 2021 11:26:01 GMT -5
Are you looking for surplus or new?
Palladium Hi Pampas are the real deal, although they are made in a much wider selection today. Stick to the canvas construction (not the 'Originale') OTAN variety (when it's available) or the sand color. The Palabrouse with the reinforcing band on the instep is fine for Algeria. Miltec's are okay.
The Pataugas with buckles are all post-Algeria.
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Post by earlymb on Feb 27, 2021 6:29:47 GMT -5
And black soles and toecap I think, not the green or tan ones?
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Post by rullow on Apr 27, 2021 8:21:21 GMT -5
Hey again! in regards to the British windproofs (peau de saucisson) Do you guys have any tips on adding a zipper to the smock either half or full zipper and possible adding a collar? How should I go about doing this? Any tips would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! go to your local tailor in my case - my mom recently she is reworking the pants by adding the zipper and adjusting the hoses in order to accomodate the elastic... we will see how she will handle tap47/54 pants |
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Post by lew on Apr 27, 2021 10:25:56 GMT -5
And black soles and toecap I think, not the green or tan ones? Didn't see this until now: black was more common in Indochina, but dark green was present the entire time, becoming predominant during Algeria. I've yet to see tan/sand/khaki Pataugas in Indo, but I do have some pictures and a couple accounts of both the regular style and the Palabrouse in that khaki color as private-purchase items in Algerie*. Jakub: How ya doin' over there, buddy? I hope all is well. I wish me mum could handle altering military gear. I have a couple 47/56 sets and a Rhodesian Fire Force vest that need to be altered. *Living in the desert, I can see why poorly-paid soldiers might buy their own shoes that are the same thing as the issue variety, yet in a different color: tan is way cooler than anything green, and cool feet are dry feet. |
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Post by earlymb on May 1, 2021 5:28:49 GMT -5
I have trouble finding modern Palladiums with black rubber sole and toecap, they usually are the colour of the canvas...
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Post by lew on May 1, 2021 14:44:30 GMT -5
Their OTAN- olive green with a dark green, almost black sole- variety used to be the most common, but apparently the hipsters aren't into that.
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Post by rullow on May 5, 2021 2:23:45 GMT -5
Jakub: How ya doin' over there, buddy? I hope all is well. I wish me mum could handle altering military gear. I have a couple 47/56 sets and a Rhodesian Fire Force vest that need to be altered. Hi, well all fine here -- I ve added to me children collection one set of twins so total is 3pcs now and also some mas4956 as well - luckilly (and as a candy - one ZH29) Yeah I am lucky with my mum - however I guess that I ll need to learn to work with sewing machine since I do have loads of camo fabric and tons of bigeard caps I need to make... she already made me some from the fabric I ve supplied, but surprisingly she prefers making the things for my kids than for me and I still need some bigeard caps in other styles of lizard come (to fit nicely with TAP54 and TAP53) And also I ll need to make the commando jacket replica but that will be beyond her abilities - I am afraid  |
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Post by earlymb on May 5, 2021 4:45:09 GMT -5
Their OTAN- olive green with a dark green, almost black sole- variety used to be the most common, but apparently the hipsters aren't into that. I have OTAN ones, but the sole is green, not that dark. |
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Post by lew on May 5, 2021 12:22:50 GMT -5
Hi, well all fine here -- I ve added to me children collection one set of twins so total is 3pcs now and also some mas4956 as well - luckilly (and as a candy - one ZH29) Yeah I am lucky with my mum - however I guess that I ll need to learn to work with sewing machine since I do have loads of camo fabric and tons of bigeard caps I need to make... she already made me some from the fabric I ve supplied, but surprisingly she prefers making the things for my kids than for me and I still need some bigeard caps in other styles of lizard come (to fit nicely with TAP54 and TAP53) And also I ll need to make the commando jacket replica but that will be beyond her abilities - I am afraid A very lucky man indeed! I have OTAN ones, but the sole is green, not that dark. Dark green or something lighter? Dark green is fine, but Palladium is all over the map with their current offerings. |
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Post by earlymb on May 9, 2021 13:43:45 GMT -5
Got these, I think the soles are too green.
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