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Post by Étienne on Jun 14, 2015 14:32:33 GMT -5
Dang...the Rakuten store is already sold out of the boots; I should have bought them when I could. They still have the high tops but only in size 39: global.rakuten.com/en/store/seabees/item/10014137Oh well, and right when I need a new pair (or two), as my two pairs of Palladiums I bought last year are starting to wear out! Anybody find a retail source for the Sturm-Miltec version yet? Or I guess I could get some Ruko's, but they look somewhat flimsy and I can only find them on eBay (and they seem a bit overpriced for the quality)...ugh
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Post by lew on Jun 14, 2015 16:31:13 GMT -5
Look at the fourth post- mine- on the previous page. Sofmilitary.co.uk also lists them, but they seem to always be out of stock for not ballerina or clown feet sizes.
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Post by Étienne on Jun 15, 2015 8:32:10 GMT -5
Sofmilitary.co.uk has a lot of cool stuff that I want (mainly Brit P1944 web gear), but shipping from England for whatever reason is beaucoup $. I'm starting to think that I need to contact a company in China to bulk produce some "repro" pataugas, but I would likely need some investors!
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Post by hvd5677 on Jun 23, 2015 9:18:46 GMT -5
I've worn them around a bit and in wet weather. Haven't noticed any paint chipping, peeling, bleeding etc. I wore the shoes in a parade on Saturday. Noticed a bit of wearing of the black color on the soles after a couple of miles on the hot pavement.
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Post by lew on Jun 24, 2015 12:02:28 GMT -5
I suppose that's to be expected and you can always touch it up.
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Post by hvd5677 on Jun 25, 2015 10:22:52 GMT -5
I'll get a permanent marker and do touch up
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Post by Étienne on Jul 7, 2015 16:02:16 GMT -5
Found another Japanese company selling similar ones online: global.rakuten.com/en/store/waiper/item/nof002605101...they won't let me link directly but go to "shoes" on the sidebar and then look for "New France military canvas sneakers" I just ordered a pair of the green ones, so I'll let you know how they turn out (although I haven't figured out if my order has been completed or not...a bit lost in translation, me thinks)
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Post by lew on Jul 7, 2015 17:20:23 GMT -5
I'm not wild about those rubber discs on the ankle. I'm still waiting on the pataugas from ASMC to come in.
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Post by Hornblower on Sept 5, 2015 6:36:44 GMT -5
Hey Guys, These Miltec ones are relatively cheaply made chinese knock offs of a pataugas . I use Palladium Pampas since the 80ies and Do have some of them. These miltec are using inferior Materials - E.g . sturdy plastic that is nowhere near the compfort of a Palladium.. Palladium does change colours on a regular Basis , though I'm a bit surprised they discontinued the really classic OD one in 2014, they just had back out for 2 yrs or so.
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Post by lew on Sept 5, 2015 8:11:32 GMT -5
We are well aware of that. Palladiums are made in China (probably by the same factory). The Chinese have been making Pataugas since the '50's. Plus, the Sturm's look like the Indochina locally-made Pataugas. Since Palladium is not offering anything suitable currently, they're the only option, and they're not half bad. I've worn them to work and they're fine to wear all day.
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Post by Hornblower on Sept 8, 2015 16:22:19 GMT -5
Well I never tried those Sturm / Miltec ones on. At the time I was just astonished how much the used materials differed from Palladiums. To add something new to the topic , may be I just received a pair of 2014 Palladiums in this greenish grey color (stonewashed Metal) as I don't own a pair with the ankle discs. Odered a second pair for EDC use as I like the very classic appaerance of this color combination. My first new pairs since 2010 I guess. Actually I found the quality of the canvas much more sturdy than my last pair from 09/10 - might be due to the now chinese manufacturing using different material. However, the color is certainly not OD but I think it might work out (looks like a faded british JG ) One could probaply also consider to dye the canvas OD. But I havent tried that yet;) Anyway, got these here from Amazon.de Palladium Pampa Hi, Herren Desert Boots, Grau (Stonewashed Metal 090) www.amazon.de/dp/B003L5BVMC/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_bH07vb83PZG7SThis is what the Color looks like .
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Post by toussant on Sept 8, 2015 21:02:36 GMT -5
I currently wear a pair of the stonewashed metal as my daily comfort shoes. After having been worn on a number of canoe trips up to the Boundary Waters Canoe Area, they have held up beautifully and have faded and swamp stained to a rather indescribable greyish-green! I think they would definitely give a fellow that faded salty look that is so desired for realism. I personally don't go for the faked broken in use- just take your kit out and wear it when you are doing outside work or what have you. The equipment will soon take up a unique patina all its own. That's my humble opinion, anyways... Adieu! ---Toussant
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Post by lew on Sept 9, 2015 8:50:42 GMT -5
Hornblower: The stonewashed khaki Pampas that are an option in your link are what I wear around town, and they are also the correct color for private-purchase Pataugas in Indo/Algérie. Toussant: Agreed. A certain amount of the gear we collect can be worn everyday. No need to worry about dragging it through the weeds. That said, not all gear has to be broken in. The French did actually issue new uniforms and equipment once in a while.
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Post by Hornblower on Sept 9, 2015 19:59:21 GMT -5
Hornblower: The stonewashed khaki Pampas that are an option in your link are what I wear around town, and they are also the correct color for private-purchase Pataugas in Indo/Algérie. Toussant: Agreed. A certain amount of the gear we collect can be worn everyday. No need to worry about dragging it through the weeds. That said, not all gear has to be broken in. The French did actually issue new uniforms and equipment once in a while. Toussant, thanx for sharing your experience. Some years ago I had to climb on Mount Olympus and the Mountains of crete during a super hot greek Summer. Because of the incredible heat I mostly used a pair of Army "Palladiums" instead of my regular Boots and it worked out very well. After this trip they just had the right patina Lew, thanx for the hint regarding the private purchase ones. That's actually the second pair ( in the picture) that came with the greensih ones;) So it seems I'm covered then in terms of footwear .
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Post by lew on Sept 10, 2015 7:17:03 GMT -5
Excellent.
I've used mine while hiking around the deserts of the American Southwest and it's hard to beat them.
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Post by Hornblower on Sept 12, 2015 9:49:28 GMT -5
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Post by Étienne on Sept 16, 2015 21:25:28 GMT -5
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Post by lew on Sept 17, 2015 7:58:38 GMT -5
I wonder how tightly Wissart's Pataugas fit? I wear a 43. I added it to my watch list anyway. Thanks!
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Post by Étienne on Sept 17, 2015 10:23:47 GMT -5
This eBay seller has several pairs of original pataugas for sale: stores.ebay.com/2bepall in size 47, though Is he a member of this forum?
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Post by lew on Sept 17, 2015 16:57:30 GMT -5
I saw that. Too bad I don't have clown feet. I have not been able to ascertain any connection with this site, however.
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Post by Étienne on Sept 17, 2015 20:11:38 GMT -5
same here...I typically wear a 44 but a 43 sometimes fits
Just wondering if he's a member of this forum, with a seller's name like "2BEP"!
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Post by lew on Sept 17, 2015 20:22:31 GMT -5
Logical query, not doubt. Discount? I recall seeing that username here. Could be related, although certainly not active.
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Post by Étienne on Aug 22, 2016 20:14:11 GMT -5
Here's a supplier that is, unfortunately, out of pataugas apparently: www.militarysupplyhouse.com/footwearf1.htmAren't the ones with the black vamp (to the left of the Belgian gaiters) Portuguese? I'm thinking about getting some of the "stonewash metal" Palladiums off Amazon; I'm hoping they'll fade to a better color. I need new ones asap.
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Post by lew on Aug 23, 2016 13:15:55 GMT -5
Those pictured are actually French. I can't remember which maker produced those, but it was definitely a smaller run. Broussart, Palladium, and Wisart all produced solid color uppers.
The Portuguese model does indeed have a black vamp, but no ankle disk. The green is also far darker. I have a source in Portugal for those and other wares if anyone is interested. I vastly prefer my Portuguese shoes to the Palladiums, and that is nothing against them.
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Post by topbreak on Dec 8, 2021 16:13:23 GMT -5
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Post by craigtx on Dec 8, 2021 21:09:29 GMT -5
None of those are really even close. Unfortunately, they don't make the correct, or even close color any more.
Steve, doesn't Tranchee have a good copy?
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Post by topbreak on Dec 9, 2021 9:22:57 GMT -5
Sadly, I'm not surprised. They're half the price of the other options, but glaringly wrong. There seems to be a lot of that going around in this hobby. Granted, the people in charge of Palladium likely don't consider re-enactors to be a viable or desirable market for their goods.
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Post by lew on Dec 9, 2021 11:01:28 GMT -5
None of those are really even close. Unfortunately, they don't make the correct, or even close color any more. Steve, doesn't Tranchee have a good copy? Puzzlingly, Tranchee doesn't have anything terribly appropriate for the period. Inexplicably, the rubber roundel on the inside of the ankle has "Operation Castor" on it. I suppose if one were to melt the text down, the shoes would be great. They do have Wissart Pataugas with a black vamp, reminiscent of the Portuguese m964 shoes. I can't comment on the suitably of those. It's slim pickings for proper OD chaussures de brousse.
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Post by earlymb on Dec 11, 2021 7:33:18 GMT -5
I think that would be easy to remove with a Dremel-like grinder tool, and then you'd have nice shoes for a decent price it seems?
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Post by lew on Dec 11, 2021 11:29:46 GMT -5
I think that would be easy to remove with a Dremel-like grinder tool, and then you'd have nice shoes for a decent price it seems? That's what I was thinking. Or a hot iron applied to it. I like that they incorporate the grooves and ridges on the toecap. Too bad I don't need anything else from them.
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