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Post by sapper44 on Dec 26, 2008 16:50:01 GMT -5
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Post by grog on Dec 26, 2008 17:13:33 GMT -5
Great pics. I hadn't seen any of those yet.
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Post by sapper44 on Dec 27, 2008 0:10:43 GMT -5
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Post by cookie on Dec 27, 2008 7:17:59 GMT -5
The first few pictures you've posted are of Legion paratroopers wearing the very standard, for the CEFEO, uniform of the paras up until c. 1953-54. This being the British 1942 windproof (or 'sausage skin') camo trousers, and one of the various U.S. 'Frogskin' army/USMC camo jackets of WWII provenance. It was common in 1950-51 for paras in some units to be wholly equipped with the trousers and jacket of the US 'frogskin' suit.
The latter pictures in your first section are entirely uniform, being Lizard pattern 47/52 suits, with French webbing and weapons. One being worn by Legion Captain Cabiro (Cabiro is wearing 47/52 trousers and a 'commando' 47/51 jacket) at Dien Bien Phu, November 1953.
You've missed the well published picture of the French para at Dien Bien Phu wearing field made 'Splinter pattern' zeltbahn trousers. There are two in the series, one is of them running with a plume of smoke behind them, the other, they are getting out of a trench.
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lemaitre
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Post by lemaitre on Mar 14, 2009 12:10:54 GMT -5
The use of German zelts and cloth is something I didn't know about - great to see that there is photographic evidence. I have some good quality Wehrmact splinter trousers (made by Zeugmeisterei in Germany) and a splinter zelt (supplied by Richard Underwood in the UK). I realise that it would have been the exception to the rule, but do you think this would be appropriate kit to use in an impression? I'm only asking as it's stuff I already have and I'm more than happy to get more common items for my impression. I haven't seen the photo of the splinter trousers in use at Dien Bien Phu. What sort of jacket was being used with them? Appreciate your advice  . David. |
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Post by cookie on Mar 16, 2009 12:41:34 GMT -5
DON'T wear splinter camo gear for Indochina. I know it happened but it is such a'reenactorism' to wear 'Gucci' kit that is different from everyone else. Go with the bog standard clothing and webbing for what ever you are portraying.
If you're doing infantry get some nice, cheap M47 fatigues. If you're doing early paratrooper get some British Windproof trousers and a US P44 USMC camo jacket. If you're doing late war paratrooper get a Lizarrd camo 47/52 suit.
Forget the speciality stuff like Splinter camo or SS camo, it is the way of madness.
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Post by lemaitre on Mar 16, 2009 13:14:58 GMT -5
Hi Cookie, You're totally right - it was just something I wanted an opinion on . I've seen far too much of the 'I want to be different' over the years, so I realise I was tempting fate. The list of kit I am working from doesn't mention them at all. Thanks for the response. Cheers . |
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Post by hoover on Mar 25, 2009 9:15:49 GMT -5
Don´t forget that the French made their own versions of Splintercamo shelter sections from 1946 to 1951.
Pics are in W. Palinckx "Camoulfaged Uniforms of the Wehrmacht", published at Schiffer Books.
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Post by Legion Etrangere on Nov 2, 2009 17:51:48 GMT -5
DON'T wear splinter camo gear for Indochina. I know it happened but it is such a'reenactorism' to wear 'Gucci' kit that is different from everyone else. Go with the bog standard clothing and webbing for what ever you are portraying.
I missed this gem somehow: good point here!
If your new to FICW reenacting / living history, *stay away* from the "well I have a pic that they used it in Indochina!" uniforms and stick with the standard uniformity that was worn by the majority of the soldiers. Don't be misled!
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