Pautagas

[fmf]

Thank You for Putting the Photos up , very interesting to see , France must be cleaning house of all this stuff

[savoy6]

ok........would these ridge scorpions pass in the patugas department?

also,would these be ok?
www.pickyourshoes.com/item.asp?itemname=14951
would anyone know if the paladums have any sizing issues..i.e. running large or small,etc.?

[cookie]

Cut the buckles and the gaiter section of the boots off and they'll be fine for Indochina. The high leg palladiums don't look right to me. Maybe for Algeria but I haven't seen them like that in any Indochina photos. Original issue Wissart and Vernon pataugas are always coming up for sale on Ebay france. Usually quite cheap.

[lew]

Feb 7, 2011 19:06:29 GMT -5 cookie said:

Cut the buckles and the gaiter section of the boots off and they'll be fine for Indochina. The high leg palladiums don't look right to me. Maybe for Algeria but I haven't seen them like that in any Indochina photos. Original issue Wissart and Vernon pataugas are always coming up for sale on Ebay france. Usually quite cheap.

The Pataugas with the buckles didn't come around until the early 70's. Definitely not correct for Indo or Algerie. There's no reason to buy them anyway when Palladium is making the same exact shoe (except for the insole) that they were in 1947.

As for the French "Ranger" double buckle boots, those are the Mle. 52. The original had a single buckle, the second type, introduced in early 1956, had two straps riveted to the flap, and the third type, introduced in late 1960, has the one piece straps/flap sewn to the upper. All Mle. 52 boots left the factory in natural-colored rough-out. Some units ordered the soldiers to blacken them (3e RPC), and this became more common towards the end of the Algerian War, although many units did not blacken theirs. I use Neatsfoot oil on my pairs. Works fine and is close to what the French would have used, if not the exact same thing.

The reason one sees original Pataugas available only in larger sizes is simple: those are the large side of the spectrum. Few soldiers had feet that big, and they were never issued. The other sizes were used extensively, and, being a lightweight shoe, they don't last long in the field. Typically, for Algeria at least, boots lasted about six months, and Pataugas about two before they fell apart. That's the price to pay for a shoe that is exceptionally light and breathable.

[craigtx]

Lew,

Which model of the Palladium boots would be correct? I went to the website and I'm not sure about all the choices, except that it's not the leather models...

[lew]

The issue model is the Pampa Hi in OD green. www.palladiumboots.com/shop/us-men/us-men-footwear/pampa-hi-5588.html

I have heard mention that brown-colored Palladiums were private purchase items, but I have not seen that verified, and the green was the only color for the various official pataugas from the various makers. I have seen a couple of black and white pictures where two pairs are shown, one of which shows up lighter than the issue green, so who knows.

[craigtx]

Thanks Lew! I appreciate the assist!

[sparkz]

Have seen a picture of the lighter brown shade in use, but sorry I can't place it.

Regards
Russ

[lew]

Now that you mention it, I know I've seen a brown pair. For the sake of reenacting, green would be the obvious choice to represent what was most commonly encountered.

Welcome aboard, sparkz.

[craigtx]

Just received my pautagas yesterday. They fit great and have surprisingly good support.

[lew]

After three years, I finally feel compelled to order another pair. For such light and simple shoes, they hold up very well. I do not recommend washing them too often. They will fade. A quick rinse should be all that is normally required.

[sparkz]

Hi Guys,
Managed to pick a pair of 54 dated originals up in a size 42, 18 months ago. Still out their if you look hard enough on evil bay.

[hvd5677]

Here is a link to Amazon showing Pampa Hi Palladiums on sale for $37.00. They seem to match up well with the commercial version on p 83 of Guyader, except they have 6 eyelets instead of seven

www.amazon.com/Palladium-Mens-Pampa-Hi-Boot/dp/B003ZYDLKY

[lew]

Palladium seems to have made both six and seven eyelet versions concurrently during the period. I really need to see if they have can answer in-depth historical queries.

I semi-retired my OD pair after three years of use. Only a couple of wear spots that haven't progressed any further, but they're the only green ones I have right now. My brown pair is now my go-to.

[etranger1953]

Has anyone here bought SOF militaria's pautagas? Just checking on quality before I commit to buying anything.
Merci mes amis!

www.sofmilitary.co.uk/french-jungle-boots-product,11873

[lew]

I have the same shoes (Sturm-Miltec) on the way from ASMC.de. I'll type up a review when I get 'em.

[lew]

Review for Sturm-Miltec Pataugas: frenchindochinawar.proboards.com/thread/590/sturm-miltec-pataugas

[erica]

Oct 2, 2013 10:39:43 GMT -5 lew said:

As for the French "Ranger" double buckle boots, those are the Mle. 52. The original had a single buckle, the second type, introduced in early 1956, had two straps riveted to the flap, and the third type, introduced in late 1960, has the one piece straps/flap sewn to the upper. All Mle. 52 boots left the factory in natural-colored rough-out. Some units ordered the soldiers to blacken them (3e RPC), and this became more common towards the end of the Algerian War, although many units did not blacken theirs. I use Neatsfoot oil on my pairs. Works fine and is close to what the French would have used, if not the exact same thing.

Hi, guys! I have found a more detailed review about these boots: "French Military boots BMJA Mle 52 - "Rangers marrons""

cartalana.com/0258-boots.php#0070ba

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