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Post by sapper44 on Jan 12, 2009 21:45:55 GMT -5
Is there any evedence of French troops in Indochina useing the US 44/45 web system?
I have seen brit p-37 and us m36, and of course the TAP 50 stuff, but was there any others that might have been used?
Thanks;
Christian
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Post by Turner on Jan 13, 2009 8:12:37 GMT -5
Apart from P37 and US M36 British Pattern '44 was used at least partly. You can see quite often the P44 canteen.
I've read that P44 canteens were also carried in the bidon Mle 51 carriers.
But I don't remember seeing US M1944/1945 equipment.
As US M1944/1945 equipment was the actual web gear used by the US forces until it was replaced by the M1956 gear, I'd say that the French got only the old outdated stuff. Just like the initial equipment Austria and Germany got for their new post war armies Bundesheer and Bundeswehr.
Regards, Turner
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Post by lt13demi on Jan 13, 2009 9:34:14 GMT -5
I agree with Turner. I've not seen any photographic evidence of the 44/45 gear. And I believe it's for the same reason that Turner stated. It was the new stuff and the US wouldn't give it up. After all the US was in a pretty hot conflict on the Korean peninsula!  They did have a need for the new stuff. Knowing the way the US military operated I'm sure there were still lots of US troops in Korea still without the latest webgear too! For example; While serving in the US Marine Reserve in the 70's, I was issued a USMC M41 haversack (marked BOYT '44). We also were issued M43 ('45 dated) E-Tools and WWII dated covers. We did have 50's dated shelter halves. I'm sure there are other Gyrenes on this board with the same sort of stories. I spoke to a Marine Vet (Silver Star winner) while at a Viet Nam display (I was decked out as 13eme DBLE) who also told me when they first got to Nam in '65 (he was in the first landing at Da Nang), he stated that they were issued the Korean era M1923 Cartridge belts to use with their M-14's. Sapper I know you have a late era USMC ctg belt like this as you showed it to me at the Temple air show. A cool find. I digress. But I was trying to give an example. I think as Turner. If it was used there must have been very, very little of it there.... Renault |
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Post by Legion Etrangere on Jan 13, 2009 22:35:11 GMT -5
bob,
that was a VERY interesting point to make.
it got me to thinking....
when i was in the army in europe (italy and germany) i happened to walk into the commo van one sunny day and checked out the teletypes for our unit (rear-area based signal battalion) - dated 1967! our TT47 UG was manufactured in 1961 but remained with the battalion before, during and after vietnam ... and remained in service when i was there (c.1986). during deployments it worked flawlessly and the keys never stuck (my computer keyboard is not so hardy) even when you spilled coffee or water on it. the cabinets in the commo van we used in 63rd signal were dated 1959!
it led me to check out other gear in our motor pool, on the RATRIGs and deuce's and I found items dating back to 1959 (tool sets), 1960 (tents, pegs) and a 1969 dated battery case on our deuce when we were PMCSing the vehicles. other odds and sods were dated 70' and above...
i remember a brit para i ran into at nijmegan in '87 during the NATO operation at fierdaagse. he was issued a 1918 shell dressing in 1985!
some things never change...
/martini/
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Post by lt13demi on Jan 13, 2009 23:02:57 GMT -5
When I was in, I was convinced (and I'm still a bit skeptical on the subject) that USGI "surplus" that you find at the local Army/Navy stores was specifically made for the civilian industry.
Just as the sutlers that set up outside the camp in the old days..... Hell I never saw a poncho liner, field jacket liner, wool scarf, or any of that nice stuff the whole time I was in!
Never rode in a jeep the whole time I was in either !!!!! ;D So I went out and bought one! You like riding in it!!!!!
Renault
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Post by grog on Jan 13, 2009 23:10:14 GMT -5
When I got to Fort Lewis in 1982, part of our issue was two sets of wools...yes, wools... to be worn under our BDUs in the field. The ones I got were dated 1951. They were nice and toasty warm on those cold Washington state nights.
I also remember having to hit the surplus stores off post to find better gear. Sad that the military has, and probably always will have, inferior gear to what you can buy in the private sector.
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Post by cookie on Jan 14, 2009 9:46:11 GMT -5
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Post by lonestarcharlie on Jan 14, 2009 10:30:06 GMT -5
a 1918 shell dressing in 1985? that's just crazy!
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Post by lt13demi on Jan 14, 2009 17:36:23 GMT -5
David! We still had Mills mfg, M1910 spare mag pouches for the M1911 45 ACP dated "1918" in our supply section!!!!! Bunches of them!!!! They were still issuing them to our NCO, gunner's and officers in 1980!
If I knew then what they would be worth now I'd have scarfed them all .....
Renault
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Post by oggy on Jan 15, 2009 9:31:18 GMT -5
a 1918 shell dressing in 1985? that's just crazy! But true - My Personal Weapon, a Stirling SMG, was older than me...(it astounded my US counterpart on my last Site Guard!) |
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Post by sgtjeanvaljean on Jan 15, 2009 10:26:39 GMT -5
Yes I remember when in my youth we were issued clubs that seemed well out of date but, they killed the other guy just fine. Somethings never change.
Sgt. Valjean
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Post by oggy on Jan 15, 2009 19:15:01 GMT -5
Yes I remember when in my youth we were issued clubs that seemed well out of date but, they killed the other guy just fine. Somethings never change. Sgt. Valjean My first Vehicle Commander was Boadicca..... |
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Post by hoover on Jan 20, 2009 10:59:41 GMT -5
Yes, I agree.  |
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Post by Turner on Jan 20, 2009 18:34:10 GMT -5
Yes, I agree. Yep! Nice pic. Never seen US M '44/'45 gear in Indochina pics before! You did some good research! With best regards, Turner |
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Post by 6ebcp on Jan 27, 2009 6:30:44 GMT -5
A lot of the niff naff spares I use in work on the C130 Hercules like screws and nuts are in packages dated from the late 50's and 60's. Oldest I've come across i've kept and its dated 1952  Also still come across the 37 ptn shell dressing bags every so often down at the Regiment section all ww2 dated just with a NATO NSN number stenciled on the back. Danny |
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Post by Turner on Apr 4, 2009 14:01:46 GMT -5
Found some more pics of M1945 suspenders in Indochina!   With best regards, Turner |
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They did have a need for the new stuff.
