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Post by sapper44 on Dec 26, 2008 16:38:30 GMT -5
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Post by lt13demi on Dec 26, 2008 22:36:05 GMT -5
Hey Julo,,, That middle pic....... Those sure look like olive trees....... BTW,,, what's the story with the pink #1 Mk III in the bottom pic?  Renault |
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Post by sapper44 on Dec 26, 2008 23:34:53 GMT -5
The bottom one is just for laughs, if you are going to fight why not clash.
Christian
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Post by cookie on Dec 27, 2008 7:28:41 GMT -5
The middle picture is from Algeria. The men are wearing, the by then, standard issue 'casque Bigeard'. M1 'Garands' were seized in large numbers from the FLN fighters and were issued to the French backed 'Harkis' militia.
That particular photo is from 1st September 1959 and is of Harkis patrolling in Kabyla.
Unfortunately another photo posted by old sapper44 which is not from Indo!
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Post by lt13demi on Dec 27, 2008 9:39:08 GMT -5
The #1 reminded me of the painted Native guns here in the states.... There was a Choctaw chief whose name translates to "Black Gun" as his trade musket was,,,, well,,, painted black. There are examples of other guns painted with flowers!!!!! Early camo! LOL! Yes, my earlier comment on "Olive" trees was a weak illusion to the Med area,,,, aka Algeria......  Renault |
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Post by Legion Etrangere on Dec 27, 2008 10:50:14 GMT -5
does the middle photo show u.s. m1938 dismounted leggings being worn?
/martini/
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Post by oggy on Dec 27, 2008 11:09:03 GMT -5
The SMLE is coloured to conform with UK Laws if you aren't a member of a recognised group.....
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Post by lt13demi on Dec 27, 2008 11:58:24 GMT -5
LOL!
Oh behave oggy!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
That was funny
Renault
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Post by cookie on Dec 27, 2008 12:50:30 GMT -5
Renault, It is true what Oggy says. Here in the UK if you are not a member of a recognised reenacting group and try to buy a replica or imitation firearm it has to be coloured bright pink or whatever. No joke. This does not, however, apply to deactivated or live firearms. Yet...  |
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Post by lt13demi on Dec 27, 2008 13:20:22 GMT -5
No foolin' That's craaaazy!!!!! ;D Renault |
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Post by oggy on Dec 27, 2008 13:55:59 GMT -5
Crazy it may be, but that's the way it is over here.....
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Post by cookie on Dec 27, 2008 14:29:53 GMT -5
And it gets crazier all the time.
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Post by Legion Etrangere on Mar 30, 2009 9:02:34 GMT -5
Cookie,
I was online the other day and taking a close look at the UK firearms laws; there are more restrictions coming up after the shooting in Germany. Do the EU laws have any bearing on future laws in the UK? One of the papers reported a liberal MP pushing for total firearm removal....
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Post by cookie on Apr 13, 2009 8:31:57 GMT -5
I would say no at the moment. Firearms laws in Europe differ widely from country to country, with Belgium being the most 'liberal'. I don't honestly think that firearms will be permanently banned in the UK as the people who use historic weapons for shows don't cause trouble with them. Its all about semi legal modern deactivated weapons and illegal live ones. Nothing will stop guns getting into the country either way.
I once saw a car in Texas with a bumper sticker that said: "If you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns". Which is entirely true! I hope the EU and UK government realise that...
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Post by lt13demi on Apr 15, 2009 15:41:00 GMT -5
Folks are real funny here when it comes to their guns!!!! And as the drug war gets closer to home (less that 200 miles from me) they might just come in handy! Renault |
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Post by 6ebcp on Apr 15, 2009 15:43:33 GMT -5
If the total UK ban came in it would be very interesting who would come forward to hand in their collections! As Charlton Heston said "From my cold, dead hands!"
Danny
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Post by cookie on Apr 16, 2009 6:43:44 GMT -5
Exactly. The people who illegally turn 'deactivated' guns, such as the evil little Mac 10 SMG, into live firing ones, have access to guns whether legal or not. You can turn a piece of plumbing pipe and steel plate into a sub machine gun. Just look at the Sten MkII, Polish 'Blaskowika' and Nazi 'Neumunster Gerate'.
The Vietminh could copy the highly engineered, milled steel, Thompson M1 in jungle workshops so I don't think it would be too hard for criminally minded gunsmiths in the UK to make guns.
I was briefed at work recently on a hells angels rally which was taking place just down the road. Some of these guys had Mini Maglite flashlights configured to fire 9mm parabellum! One shot piece in your pocket.
The Labour Government is unfortunatley too used to looking for easy 'scapegoat' solutions to paper over the cracks of real issues. The historical reenactment community are, by and large, law abiding people. Its the type of people attracted to the hobby, (mainly) intelligent, book-reading enthusiasts looking for a fun and interesting hobby.
Urban street gang kids don't generally figure much in living history weekends. But they are the ones who get the imitation Glock 17 pistol and hold up the local 7/11. I don't remember the last time I heard of a Lee Enfield or Grease gun being used in a bank job! (1960's london??)
We are an easy target for the government to cream some nice sounding statistics off of. Put a picture in the national papers of a pile of seized deactivated or imitation M1 carbines, MP44's, Garands, Stens and Colt .45's and the general public, in their honest ignorance, will sleep so much easier in their beds each night, not knowing that the pile of guns never contributed in any way to violence on their streets. The government will, in their infinite wisdom, alienate yet another section of society. Hooray for democracy!
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Post by lt13demi on Apr 16, 2009 7:47:42 GMT -5
Thank you Cookie! While in Scotland several years ago I had a retire Glasgow Police officer ask me how I could possibly "feel safe" living in a place where every household surrounding me had a gun!!!!!!
My answer was "that's the very reason I do feel safe!" Knowing that not only could I depend on my neighbors, but they could depend on me as well to help protect our lives a property.
I was amazed at the common mis-conception that many have about things here. Granted we all have our own little idiosyncracies, but the press has us all sterotyped as being pistol packin' cowboys (heck, I got rid of all my livestock years ago ;D ), ready to shoot it out at the drop of a hat. And you can't go out in public without being shot by some hoodlum. But the one thing I've learned is there are "bad people" just about everywhere you go! And murder seems to know no boundries....
I remember well the U.S. Gun Control Act of 1968!!!!!!! One of the caveats in this act was to ban the importation of surplus military (mostly bolt-action) rifles. The reason was that these were the weapons of choice of assassins! LOL!!!!!!! While the actual reason was the governments fear of a race war breaking out and the assorted factions were allegedly arming themselves with these weapons. There were also subversive "oxi-moronish" anti-war (WOW we have found a Viet-Nam connection on this thread) groups allegedly doing the same thing!!!! Those were scary times!!!!!!
You should see the present histeria. The govt. now is trying to reinstate the "assault" weapon ban (you should read the list of assault weapons, it's hilarious!) because they alledge this is where the Mexican drug cartels are obtaining their weapons! Our Prez is in Mexico this very morning, and this is one of the topics of discussion. IMHO, the govts reasoning for this is because since last September gunshops all over the US have had an absolute hyper-surge in weapon and ammo sales. Current govt and law enforcement ( as well as foreign govt) demand for ammo has skyrocketed and there is ammo shortage here the likes havven't been seen since WWII! And the surge in firearm sales is due to the public's conception that there will be some form of strict firearms legislation in the coming months or years following the last election. Several gunshops I know actually have a photo posted on their premises of the Prez with the title "Firearms Salesman of the Year" printed under the potrait!!!!! ;D
I have never seen such a rush!!!!!!! And it's not the cartels buying the guns, but John Q. Public!!!!!!!
Renault
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Post by cookie on Apr 16, 2009 8:47:33 GMT -5
Yeah we get that mis conception of the US being like the Lebanon over here quite a lot. I am a great exponent for arming our police with pistols - you wouldn't believe how against this most people are. Their excuse is that if we arm the police with pistols, criminals will also, and gun crime will sky rocket. I then ask my colleagues to name another country IN THE WORLD that doesn't routinely arm their police with guns. I get silence, because the only country on Earth that isn't armed with guns is the UK mainland.
I point out that France, Germany, Spain, Switzerland, Canada etc etc are ALL armed with guns, and don't have WWIII on their streets.
Its like trying to ban knives. You may as well try to drain the atlantic ocean. Its like anything else. Use and store these things properly and responsibly and there is no fuss.
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Post by bazeille on Jul 25, 2012 19:31:46 GMT -5
I ran across an internet page that says that Régiment de Tirailleurs Algériens carried a mix of MAS36's and M1 Garands from '47 to '50. At first glance this would seem to make sense, as units raised in Algeria might have had access to quantities of Garands from WWII. But on the other hand I have never seen any mention before of CEFEO units carrying the M1. Is it mistaken? Maybe some of the old hands here can shed some light, for I have none!
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Post by lew on Oct 2, 2013 7:57:19 GMT -5
I ran across an internet page that says that Régiment de Tirailleurs Algériens carried a mix of MAS36's and M1 Garands from '47 to '50. At first glance this would seem to make sense, as units raised in Algeria might have had access to quantities of Garands from WWII. But on the other hand I have never seen any mention before of CEFEO units carrying the M1. Is it mistaken? Maybe some of the old hands here can shed some light, for I have none! The M1 was mainly reserved for French Metropolitan and Norht African units, so I can see that as being plausible. Some lesser units used it up until 1962. Most colonial infantry units were armed with the US M1917 over the MAS-36 until the late '50's. |
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