lemaitre
Dans le théâtre de la guerre
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Post by lemaitre on Aug 10, 2009 17:23:26 GMT -5
If I didn't already have an army M43 from Barry, I'd be very tempted!
LeM.
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Post by oggy on Aug 11, 2009 7:17:11 GMT -5
Are they the ParaMarine type?
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Post by cookie on Aug 12, 2009 8:04:04 GMT -5
No, it is the second pattern two-piece camouflage uniform for infantry. Introduced in 1944 to replace the P42.
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Post by oggy on Aug 13, 2009 3:48:30 GMT -5
Ah right, 2 vertical chest pocket openings & the Mahoosive butt pocket?
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Post by cookie on Aug 13, 2009 8:13:41 GMT -5
Yes, with an exposed metal-buttoned front. The buttons have 'United States Marine Corps' embossed on them, which Barry has thoughtfully reproduced. It is the 'Raider' jacket. Shame he hasn't done the para marine smock, which was somewhat similar but with snap fastened front, four hidden front pockets and snap fastened side vents.
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Post by oggy on Aug 13, 2009 11:40:14 GMT -5
Wasn't that often cut down in service?
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Post by cookie on Aug 13, 2009 16:38:59 GMT -5
Yes, the ones sent to Indochina were, and were the so-called 'fourth pattern camouflaged smock for paratroopers'.
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Post by oggy on Aug 14, 2009 8:38:53 GMT -5
Cheers Cookie - one last Q? The 4th Pattern, was that the one with the slanted pocket flaps and internal hung pockets on the Green side, bulged on the Brown side?
Sorry to be a pain in the RS, but it's just to get the terms of reference right.
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Post by Legion Etrangere on Sept 26, 2010 9:07:32 GMT -5
Cookie, Lem, oggy ... whats your take on the Spearhead P44 HBT's?
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Post by cookie on Sept 30, 2010 5:32:05 GMT -5
Average quality material. Average quality printed camouflage. The material is much thinner than that of the camouflage M43's Barry sells. \the colours are also different, with a darker tone on the green side and a pink tone on the inside. It is not reversible. Because they were cheap I bought several of these jackets and used them in the Tu Le photoshoot and think for that purpose they were very good. I wouldn't say they stand up to close up scrutiny on a display though.
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Post by Legion Etrangere on Sept 30, 2010 19:23:20 GMT -5
As long as the filter is on the camera .... you can't see too close!
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Post by bellumbill on Dec 9, 2010 20:11:09 GMT -5
Yes, with an exposed metal-buttoned front. The buttons have 'United States Marine Corps' embossed on them, which Barry has thoughtfully reproduced. It is the 'Raider' jacket. Shame he hasn't done the para marine smock, which was somewhat similar but with snap fastened front, four hidden front pockets and snap fastened side vents. I know this post is from a while ago, but thought I'd chime in - Juan at WWII Impressions has just reproduced several items of WWII USMC Para uniforms - The camo smock and the camo utilities. Both are excellent quality, you can see many photos on his website. For the price, not sure you would want to cut them down, though, but on the other hand we nutty reenactors often will go pretty far for authenticity!! Cookie, To your knowledge, did the 6eme BPC ever wear the WWII USMC 2 pc. paramarine utilities? Thanks! Bill K. |
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Post by cookie on Dec 15, 2010 13:38:08 GMT -5
Bill, I don't think so. The 6e BPC used the US army M43 camo jacket and the USMC P44 camo jackets. I know legion paras and some men in the 8e BPchoc used the paramarine jackets. I don't think the smocks were ever issued as smocks. I believe they were cut down before being worn.
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Post by Legion Etrangere on Dec 15, 2010 13:54:37 GMT -5
Cookie / Bellumbill,
I can remember reading somewhere that the reason the smocks were cut down was the inaccessability to take a crap in the field; you had to take off all your webgear, unzip the smock, pull it down and then do your thing, leaving the soldier naked in the field.
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Post by bellumbill on Dec 19, 2010 15:48:13 GMT -5
Guys -
Thanks for your input, I really appreciate it.
BTW, I wish Barry/Spearhead would repro. the P44 camo trousers.
Best,
Bill K.
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Post by bellumbill on Mar 28, 2011 20:44:00 GMT -5
All -
As an answer to my own question, Barry at Spearhead informed me last week that he would have P44 trousers available in June.
Cookie, I was reading back over the posts here, what do you mean that the P44's are not reversible? There is a sand side and a green side, no??
Best,
Bill
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Post by cookie on Apr 2, 2011 10:37:12 GMT -5
Bill,
Yes, the material is double sided but you cannot turn the jacket inside out to wear the desert/sandyside outwards. The pattern does not accomodate it.
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Post by bellumbill on Apr 3, 2011 16:59:06 GMT -5
Bill, Yes, the material is double sided but you cannot turn the jacket inside out to wear the desert/sandyside outwards. The pattern does not accomodate it. Cookie - Oh, right, correct I see what you meant - You CAN turn it inside out for the camo effect, but as you say it won't have much utility as there are no pockets. BTW, leafing through my books again it seems to me that the jackets that I thought were the P44 pattern being worn turns out to be the cut down version of the 2nd Pattern USMC jump smock. I can't seem to find any photos of the P44 being worn. Do you have any?? Of course, I guess the chance of anyone making the 2nd pattern jump smock is pretty slim. Thanks again! Bill |
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