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Post by Legion Etrangere on Jul 16, 2009 20:30:15 GMT -5
I honestly don't know how these prices become so inflated ... but there is someone out there who will put up the money to buy it. |
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Post by grog on Jul 16, 2009 20:49:50 GMT -5
That's incredible. I thought the one I saw on ebay a couple of months ago for $95 was bad.
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Post by lt13demi on Jul 16, 2009 21:00:39 GMT -5
WTF?  So the 100 or so FICW reenactors arould the globe have run these things up from $25 to $160 in 2 years? ?? I am totally dumbfounded!!!!!!! Nobody has given a rats-patootie about any thing remotely associated with French Indochina militaria but all of a sudden, it's now THE THING? Give me a freakin' break!!!!!!! I don't believe it. I suppose that French militari is now the very last thing out there left to collect.... Being all the other stuff has dried up. Which brings me to rant on my next extreme pet-peeve!!!!! Ever notice how anything remotely associated with the French military on such sale engines as E-bay or Gunbroker is immediately advertised as "French Foreign Legion" I just wanna reach down the sellers throat and jerk out a lung! Like what does the rest of the French military get to use? ? Okay,,,, I'm fine now...... ;D Renault |
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Post by Legion Etrangere on Jul 17, 2009 4:50:00 GMT -5
What drives up the prices, I beleive, are the eBay driven sales for specific militaria items which then send independent militaria sales through the roof. Such is capitalism. Saw it happen with British militaria for the past 20 years, the P37 e-tool one item that has quadrupled in price. Items that would normally go for a pittance have tripled by 100%. Eventually with more people entering FICW, a supplier may come foward who will manufacture items driving the price back down, saturating the market.
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Post by niv on Jul 17, 2009 8:33:37 GMT -5
Leftenant,
We all blame you for this.
If you hadn’t made being a Legionnaire the hottest thing going, reenactment-wise, we could all go out any time and buy French Foreign Legion gear and weaponry.
But you had to go and make it the coming thing with the way you run things, the people you allow in, and those %$#@! standards of yours!
C’est la Guerre, as has been said. . .
Niv
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Post by lt13demi on Jul 17, 2009 9:06:20 GMT -5
Go look at the pic again! It ain't right!!!!!!! It's not FICW issue!!!! Top is wrong. Thread pattern is wrong. Has a little brass clip looking thing on the chinstrap. This is a new hat that some bozo has added a metro para badge to !!!!!!
Renault
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Post by Legion Etrangere on Jul 17, 2009 9:31:24 GMT -5
The weave on the side of the hat is incorrect. It should meet at an arc on the side, not a dedicated half triangle. The top is incorrect. I am using my CPB as an example: my bushhat is an original '52 issue stamped NANTES and then re-stamped with an Israeli marking print inside. With some re-work the one on gun-broker could be made to be correct - but thats my opinion.
Regardless of whether its correct or not ... its the price that matters. People will purchase it, driving the price of originals and Israeli-manufactured bush hats through the roof. This is a major problem the collectors have with this.
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Post by lt13demi on Jul 17, 2009 9:47:11 GMT -5
Yeah it could be made to look like one of the 1000's of theatre made hats that were available, They didn't differ all that much from this one. Being that this hat's original price was maybe 30 bucks and the most. The $160 price is depressing!
I believe in the reenacting community, the smarter beginners will hopefully send out the inquiry to the experienced asking "Hey how is this item". That's what's so nice about these types of forums! The word gets out in the reenacting community and hopefully that can help ferret out these sellers and their less than savory practices.
Renault
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Post by woodard on Jul 19, 2009 21:13:40 GMT -5
I noticed that La Tranchee is selling "Chapeau de brousse type Algérie 100% coton (reproduction)" for 14,99 €. The only thing I see wrong in the pic is that it looks like there's a leather slider on the chinstrap. Has anybody ordered one of these? They seem awfully cheap...
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Post by Legion Etrangere on Jul 20, 2009 12:28:28 GMT -5
Great post woodard,
If someone orders this item - post a pic of it and give us a play-by-play on the material and authenticity. I would like to see what Tranchee is selling also.
I would assume unless you had the same type [ and thickness ] of material for the bush hat, it would tough to reproduce.
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Post by cookie on Jul 24, 2009 11:44:37 GMT -5
There are great quality repros available for £10 at Tranchee Militaire. Some guy tried to sell me one last month for £50. I had to walk away because I was laughing so much. Rediculous.
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Post by niv on Jul 25, 2009 15:55:57 GMT -5
Take a look on Ebay at items 350229872040 ($31.00) and 400063358402 ($20.00), both available as I type, and both are listed as “large.” Perhaps they will escalate in price, but then again. . . It's obvious that word of Leftenant Renault's trusty band of fabulous Legionnaires and cutthroats is not out everywhere!
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Post by lonestarcharlie on Jul 25, 2009 17:12:05 GMT -5
Haha I was just looking at that first one the other day...
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Post by bellumbill on Dec 28, 2009 19:25:04 GMT -5
There are great quality repros available for £10 at Tranchee Militaire. Some guy tried to sell me one last month for £50. I had to walk away because I was laughing so much. Rediculous. Cookie, et. al. - Do anyone have any other suggestions for where to purchase a good repro Chapeau brousse? Tranchee doesn't seem to be selling them anymore. Any help would be appreciated! Merci! Bill K. |
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Post by marsouin on Dec 29, 2009 6:16:29 GMT -5
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Post by cookie on Dec 31, 2009 19:23:31 GMT -5
Get the tan coloured ones, not the dark Olive drab ones. The OD ones were much more common in Algeria later on!
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Post by spudpunk on Jul 28, 2011 18:42:07 GMT -5
I have one of the hats from tranchee and our groups uniform expert says it is as close as you can get. Pics can be found at willyshotchkissjeeps.com , let me know what you think, I'm the one with the FM and Mat.
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Post by savoy6 on Aug 1, 2011 0:36:26 GMT -5
not at $70.......
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Post by bazeille on Jul 24, 2012 11:11:31 GMT -5
Hello,
This is an old thread I know, but I had found this very vendor on ebay a while back: has anyone here ever ordered one of his m1949 repros from the US? If so, how did the transaction go?
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Post by lew on Oct 2, 2013 7:46:43 GMT -5
Hello, This is an old thread I know, but I had found this very vendor on ebay a while back: has anyone here ever ordered one of his m1949 repros from the US? If so, how did the transaction go? This is an old post, but I have ordered four of the Chapeaus de brusse for 21€. No problems with the transaction, and the hats are fantastic. One item of note: their may be a small metal fragment left over from when the grommets in the vent holes were stamped. A couple minutes with a rat tail file will fix that. |
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Post by craigtx on Nov 7, 2013 22:32:22 GMT -5
I found this camo Chapeau de brousse dated (it looks like) 1952...    I haven't seen anything like this is pictures, or descriptions. |
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Post by lew on Nov 8, 2013 8:38:15 GMT -5
I've seen one like that for sale, but I just could not positively say that it is either authentic or that such an item ever existed during the period and that this would be a good repro.
Now, there is a chance that it is real, but it looks much too clean. Camo bush hats were never an issue item, and if it was made by a local tailor either in Indochina or Algeria (more likely), then it would probably have been used and therefore not in mint condition.
Camo bush hats did exist and one unit (2e RPC) wore them in Algeria from 1955 to late 1958, but the pattern and cut is different from that one. I don't have my reference books handy right now, so I can't tell which time period that camo fits, but it looks like the Mle. 51 toile de tente, or pyramidal Zeltbahn-type tent, which was the source for lots of tailor-made garments.
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Post by craigtx on Nov 8, 2013 11:27:29 GMT -5
It was cheap enough so I bought it as a curiousity. IIRC the seller was callin' them (he had several) NOS.
I'd appreciate any help in figurin' out what it is.
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Post by lew on Nov 8, 2013 18:14:37 GMT -5
Bigger pictures would be nice. According to Paras Français en Algérie, the camo pattern is fine, and the pattern is pretty common on Bigeard caps.
It could be of the type used by 2e RPC, but none of those pictured in the book or in the pictures on my computer have the snap, and those look like they have a shorter brim. The stamps look like real French acceptance stamps (at least in the small picture), but there was never an issue broad-brimmed hat in camouflage material, and a tailor wouldn't bother to stamp them.
Mind sharing the source?
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Post by craigtx on Nov 8, 2013 23:31:26 GMT -5
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Post by craigtx on Nov 8, 2013 23:32:45 GMT -5
I'll need to look to see if I have the source. I don't even remember right off the top of my head.
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Post by craigtx on Nov 8, 2013 23:53:35 GMT -5
I got it on Ebay from the seller creamcheese6.
I purchased it July 2012. Not much to go on I'm afraid.
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Post by hoover on Nov 9, 2013 4:04:50 GMT -5
I ever thought the camo bush hats were tailor made. Here for my opinion the stamps are to clear. All my original tan and green ones have more blurred ink. So I am not very convinced in this camo bush hat.
But this is only my feeling and could be wrong.
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Post by lew on Nov 9, 2013 8:21:25 GMT -5
I ever thought the camo bush hats were tailor made. Here for my opinion the stamps are to clear. All my original tan and green ones have more blurred ink. So I am not very convinced in this camo bush hat. But this is only my feeling and could be wrong. I'm not feeling this one either. It looks to be well-made, but I cannot find any photographic evidence for it. All the bush hats that I've seen were 1) tailor-made, and 2) were more reminiscent of a US boonie hat than the chapeau de brousse. None of them had the parallel rows of stitching on the crown. |
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Post by craigtx on Nov 9, 2013 23:28:30 GMT -5
Like I said I bought it more as a curiosity than to use in an impression. I just thought I'd post it here to see if there was something I was missing. I have yet to find any photographic evidence of its use in either Indochina, or Algerian use.
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